And even they had the difference between them, that Ben did it for strength in actual fights, and Ender mostly worked out because it was one of the most basic patterns grafted into his routine at Battle School; it just made him feel more at ease to start his day with it, but it did make it somewhat pointless in a way.

He leaned forward, letting his hands hover idly under the bar. "And you'd have a right to, too," he said, and followed his idle thoughts about their difference in training to the conclusion that maybe he should ask Ben to freshen up his self-defense skills sometime.

It'd be nice to know how to stop someone in a fight without killing them. Which was possibly a uniquely Ender problem...